THE TRI-CITY DISC GOLF CLUB
River Country Bag Tag Challenge I, 2004 - 2005

RUNNING DATE: September 2004 to August 2005
BAG TAG COST: $5.00 buy-in.
CHALLENGES: Personal (within the rules), Also Saturday, Sunday, & Wednesday AcePots (mandatory).

Well the River Country Bag Tag Final went well, except some minor issues, with a total of 14 of the 36 players showing up. Match play always works best in multiples of 4, so to round out the field, we accepted 2 players outside the Bag Tag and gave them a PLACED Rating. Welcome Bill Ross from Walla Walla, and Dave Gordon from The Tri-Cities. I truly believe they were placed correctly among the playing field. I would like the Thank the Tri-City Disc Golf Club for donating $50.00, to add to the Bag Tag Cash of $190.00, plus the $32.00 from the $2.00 Skins collected from the Normal Acepot! That made the total payout of $272.00. Thank-you very much!
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BAG TAG STANDINGS FINAL as of: 08/31/2005
LAST BAG TAG ROUND: # 107

PLACE		CHALLENGER	GAMES	RATING	POINTS	ENDING BAG TAG		SATURDAY CASH
01		Cook, Marty	33	24	778	0001		$40.90
02		Johnson, Nick	20	20	395	0006		$1.60
03		Doppelmayr, Ed	43	19	798	0007		$55.70
04		McDannold, Alex	20	14	280	0004		$25.00
05T		Craig, Jeremy	59	13	751	0017		$41.10
05T		Wood, Sean 'Boz'	33	13	439	0005		$7.00
05T		Cox, Brian	11	13	147	0007 x
08		Marquardt, Chuck	18	12	215	0010		$38.00
09T		Mohl, Darrell	102	11	1076	0011		$134.50
09T		Ibarra, Pedro	60	11	668	0013
09T		Rainey, Matt	20	11	226	0010 x
12T		Holmes, Kevin	77	10	733	0019		$7.40
12T		Fisher, Matt	36	10	356	0005 x		$1.00
12T		Doppelmayr, Duane	20	10	209	0030
12T		Cartledge, Joe	19	10	197	0034		$2.30
12T		Williams, Reggie	5	10	51	0020 x
17T		Schaaf, Mike	69	9	618	0026 x		$38.50
17T		Ralph, Kaleb	63	9	572	0009		$26.80
17T		Smith, Moose	39	9	338	0026		$25.90
17T		Pfundstein, Sean	23	9	217	0020		$28.30
21		Muhlbeier, Josh	30	8	238	0013 x		$3.20
22T		Harvey, Pat	30	7	215	0031
22T		Hunsaker, Ian	18	7	130	0024 x
22T		Bass, Joe	11	7	79	0021
22T		Splatts, Kyle	8	7	54	0024
22T		More, Scot	4	7	27	0032
27T		Carden, JR	10	6	62	0019 x		$1.00
27T		Vasquez, Marcus	2	6	12	0016
29T		Scott, Tim	63	5	321	0019 x		$11.00
29T		Rendall, Steve	56	5	272	0022		$6.30
31T		Carlson, Dave	20	4	77	0029		$5.00
31T		Davis, Jeff	7	4	30	0025 x
31T		Hill, Leland	6	4	32	0015		$1.00
34T		Scheafer, Mark	25	3	69	0035
34T		Cox, Justin	2	3	5	0032 x
36		Sporeleder, Zane	0	0	0	0036
37		Dave Gordon	0	7	0	ADDED
37		Bill Ross	0	11	0	ADDED

* 2004 - 2005 Bag Tag Match Play Final (held 09/25/05)
* 2004 - 2005 Match Play Preliminary (held 04/06/05)

After looking over the format played, this Final is not, in a sense, Double Elimination. All players are guaranteed TWO nine holes. To be in the Winner bracket, you must win both of your first two nines. If you loose your first nine holes, you are moved down to the Loser Bracket. If you win your first nine and loose your second nine, you are eliminated and are out of the cash! If you are moved down to the Loser Bracket and loose your, basically, second nine you are eliminated and are out of the cash. I have to admit I like the format, but I would not call it Double Elimination. I think I would classify it more as a Two Nine Do or Die. After doing it this way, and understanding more about it, I think it is a great format for a Final! The basics of which kept the Final down to a manageable short day. True Dbl. Elimination with 16 players could have kept the time involved, long, and some players could have played on upwards to 4 or more rounds. I defiantly would have made all players involved understand how it would be, and especially the players who did not play in the Preliminary back in April, if I knew and had more time to ponder on it! I think I would also have made it a FULL 18 in place of the first nine, and then subsequent rounds would have been only nine holes. This would have kept it in the true Bag Tag Round tradition, and guaranteed all players a full round and half. Of which I will do, if and only if, I ever run another Bag Tag Challenge!

Going forth, I'm pleased, overall, on how all things turned out for all the Bag Tag rounds, Points awarded, and Players rated, to get to this point. I think all ranges of the rated players had a good chance to win some of the Bag Tag $5.00 cash fees back. It was never my intention to pay out by the ratings or for that matter the points. Everyone who joined in the 2004 - 2005 bag tag was going to get a chance at it. Ratings and Points were a useful tool in placing players where they stood. However this, in my opinion was not a true way of determining were everyone stood. There was quite a diversity in the number of rounds all players had to their name. I never did set the limit (40 - 50) on how many games a player needed to play, in order to participate in the final! I think the number of 40 is not a stretch out of 107 games involved in determining points and ratings. So as you can see, quite a few players who showed up for the final would not have been able to participate. If I went by points, the cash would have went to myself with a total of 1076 points. If I went by the rating, the cash would have went to Marty Cook. But how would this really look because of the 69 game difference? If I took my best 40 rounds, my points (980) and my rating (25) would have been enough to put me at the top! There is no way to tell what Marty would have done if he had another 7 games to his stats. If I used his current rating (24) as a reference and added 7 of them to his points, this would have put him at 946 points for a rating of 24 still. This, of course wouldn't be fair to Marty, because there would be no way possible to know what he would have done on another 7 games. This would have also taken me quite some time to figure out for everyone who played. The total number of rounds played by all players is a whopping 1062! This could have taken me upwards of, maybe, another month to figure out.

I hope next years Bag Tag Challenge will take some of these ideas, ratings, and consider on utilizing them into a general format, that everyone will enjoy. I have to admit, playing all the Bag Tag rounds and receiving points and ratings made me enjoy the game more and also made me more competitive. I have never been much of a competitive player. But this years Bag Tag has changed that in an enjoyful way. I really enjoyed collecting all the data, since I am a BIG data nut. (Did I just say that? oh.) Please check out the links above to check out the Preliminary and the 2004 - 2005 Bag Tag Final. Enjoy!

Darrell "The Machine" Mohl

"It cannot think for itself. It has no will.
It exists only to respond to your direction.
It needs constant guidance,
Control it. Make it do what you want."