THIS LINK CONTAINS THE 1ST, 2ND, AND 3RD REVISIONS


3RD AVENUE 1ST REVISION

December 12, 2015

FROM AUSTRIA WITH LOVE

DON LANIER
KAY REED
DEBBIE STRIBLING
3RD Avenue Researcher/Author
3RD Avenue Researcher
3RD Avenue Webmaster

Foremost: This revision is dedicated to the memory of Paul Rice.
Without his knowledge, dedication, helpful willingness and unselfish sharing, ButtonCountry.Com and this continuing research project would not have been possible. Buttondom cannot thank him enough for all he accomplished in his relatively short time as a collector. I honestly miss him and he is often in my thoughts.

Secondly: With Paul's passing, things began to slightly unravel. At a couple of junctures I feared this research might not continue.
Without belaboring it, someone to step up and fill a pair of enormous shoes was in serious doubt.
Suffice to say many obstacles raised their daunting heads for months on end.
But I had faith and perhaps Paul smiled upon me.
Kaye Reed, a member of my button club, volunteered to be a researcher and sometime later Debbie Stribling volunteered to be the 3rd Avenue webmaster. These are two fine ladies whom I greatly appreciate.

As you'll learn from viewing buttons discovered since the initial posting, there are many exciting finds "out there."
Periodically finding one scarcely known in Buttondom spurs motivation to continue researching and finding more 3rd Avenues.
A most regrettable aspect is information about the manufacturer still appearing to be nonexistent.
As previously stated, this severe lack of info is thought to be totally tied to the two World Wars as several contributors, including the Austrian Embassy and the American Embassy in Austria, have indicated that widespread destruction of records were either caused by the enemy or were purposely destroyed by individuals to deter the enemy from taking control of them.
Jim Stephenson of England also validated this contention.

There are 25 new buttons in this revision.
To my deep regret, a guesstimate of 20 to 30 photos were lost due to my lack of knowledge and Paul's sickness. When pictures came in, they were compiled and forwarded to Paul; then the emails were saved in My AOL and/or My computer. After his passing, some were not found in records he had tried to send back to me while he was in chemotherapy. I was not knowledgeable about some aspects of sending pictures in emails that expire after a period. Most regrettably, some were lost. I know those buttons exist as I had counted over 150 buttons and pictures at that juncture. Will work diligently to find the owners so we can have them for the 2nd or future revisions. If you possess a button not listed in the initial or this revision, please contact Debbie Stribling at debstr@charter.net

There may be others to discover but at this juncture there are six solid mediums and others hang momentarily.

Four are oblong.
One pictures a horse in full gallop while another contains a lizard with the third being an early submarine; the forth is a Zeppelin dirigible.

Two are oval.
One has a St. Bernard while the second one is a wolf's head covering most of the surface.

Some of these won't be in the revision as they were pictures and were lost as explained above.

Caution: If you are entering a tray of 3rd Avenues or using one on a tray, be diligent about measuring!

Your participation is vital to this ongoing research project.
We need buttons and identifications not shown on the initial and this posting.
Our goal is to uncover every single 3rd Avenue.
Since some Ids were educated guesses, input to possible change is welcomed.

Following are new identifications pictured in the initial web posting. References are from the larger pictures not the worksheets

Button Country Third Avenue buttons PAGE 2

Button Country Third Avenue buttons PAGE 3
PAGE ROW # IN ROW
2
1
4
Infant of Prague
2
2
4
Raphael's Sistine Chapel Painting of Madonna Holding the Christ Child
2
3
3
Madonna and Child---- Help with a definitive ID?
2
3
1
Our Lady of Perpetual Help, Just Buttons, April 1953, pg. 154
2
4
1
Our Lady of Mariazell
2
5
2
Our Lady of Victory
2
6
4
Sculling, fore and background
2
8
1
Wooden Shoed Dutch Boy ice Skating
2
8
2
Shooter and Victory Angel
2
8
3
Sculling and Victory Angel
2
9
1
Austria's Empress Sissy Fence Jumping
2
12
1
Johannes Gutenberg, Printer-Engraver
3
1
1
Cleopatra, Queen of Egypt
3
2
1
Gypsy--- Help with a definitive ID?
3
3
2
Arneca, The Spider Lady (moved to Mythology)
3
2
4
Austria's Empress Sissy
3
4
2
Auguste Fickert, Women's Activist
3
6
2
Yodeling Alpine Boy?? Help Identify
3
7
1
Raphael's Cherubs at foot of his Madonna holding the Christ Child painting
3
7
3
Cherub blowing a horn in a tree
3
7
4
Single Cherub from foot of Raphael's Madonna & Christ Child painting
3
12
1
St. Cecilia at the Harp (moved to Religious)
3
12
2
Lady w/victory wreath riding a winged wheel. (moved to Mythology)
3
12
3
Lady riding an auto/carriage vehicle, holding victory wreath, drawn by an eagle.
3
12
4
Fabulous animal/creature. (moved to Mythology)

Some Thoughts on Two Buttons


Raphael's Madonna Holding the Christ Child

Madonna Holding the Christ Child (see Raphael's painting right). Many of us have this Madonna likeness on one or more buttons. Most of us have simply been calling it Madonna and Child. If you are not already aware, it is from Raphael's Sistine Chapel painting of Madonna Holding the Christ Child. Research lists it that way. From this painting there are three more buttons commonly known to collectors and many have them on other than 3rd Avenues! At the very bottom of Raphael's painting are two cherubs. The 3rd Avenues containing these cherubs are on page 3, row 7, numbers 1 and 4 of the initial listing. Number one contains the two cherubs while number 4 contains one cherub that is also on number 1. Additionally, there are buttons containing the other cherub but haven't found it on a 3rd Avenue at this point.


Jesus Carrying the Cross

There is another thought provoking button. Well it was for me! This is one of the new buttons. Look closely at the picture in this revision called "Jesus Carrying the Cross" and you'll notice His robe is ornate. With an even closer look you'll find that He is carrying the cross in front and it contains ornate designs on the tips. There are thorns around his head further attesting that it is Jesus. The halo may throw you as it did me. All this prompted more research. I found some of the same things on three other pictures but regrettably couldn't post them in the revision as they are copyrighted. On one, Jesus is carrying the cross, in front, and has nice clothing plus a different halo from those to which I've been exposed. Another picture has very ornate tips on the cross, no halo and an ornate robe. The last picture was truly baffling to me! He was not wearing thorns, but has blood on the forehead so His jeweled headdress apparently has spikes of some sort. The halo was bewildering; the robe, cross and tips were ornate. Lastly, His right hand appeared to have a glove covering it, but a closer look denotes a puncture in His hand as though He had already been nailed to the cross! As we all know, He died on the cross but this person was carrying the cross and walking. Perhaps an artistic mistake. If interested, do a search of "Jesus or Christ carrying the cross" and hopefully you will see the ones described.


Declaring 3rd Avenue Buttons Division I

The following was sent to Buttonbytes but is being repeated here as not all collectors are members of BB. At this writing there has been no NBS classification declaration that the 3rd Avenue Buttons, sometimes referred to as Austrian silvers, are officially accepted as Division I. Following is an offering of rationale to substantiate their acceptance as such:

1. In 1952 Doctor Charles Bush found and later wrote about the 3rd Avenues. He was informed, by the antique dealer from whom he purchased them, that (quoting from the March 1953 Just Buttons) "They were represented to me as having been brought back from Austria, that they were old, at least fifty years, and they were guaranteed to be late nineteenth century." Obviously places them circa 1900 since he found them in 1952.

2. In Kitty Dillon's NBS article of May 1993, she attempts to undo some misconception in the BBB dating and other info. With permission and quoting from her article: Quote: A misunderstanding about the age of these buttons has caused a certain amount of unhappiness in National competition over the years. Every once in a while a competitor gets measled for using a Third Avenue silver in Division I, the judges believing they belong in Division III. Perhaps they mistakenly equated the "Button King's" products with the modern French white metal buttons. Likewise, they may have been thrown off the track by a notation on page 557 of the Big Book of Buttons, "made in Austria in the 1920's or 1930's." However, the Corrections and Omissions listing published with this book contains the following: "p. 557, nos.20-25, were made prior to World War I, not in the 1920's or 1930's as stated. Unquote.
These buttons definitely belong in Division I, although their age is usually designated as early 20th century rather than the l9th.

3. Here are some thoughts from one of Buttondom's most respected collectors, Elizabeth Hughes. With permission and quoting from her email,
Quote: I have been meaning to add my 2 cents worth to this, but have been much distracted of late. This may help, and is entirely anecdotal, but explains the change of the dating in the BBB. When I was researching and writing the book in the 1970's, the woman who sold them to me insisted they were moderns. This seems to have been the perceived wisdom at the time for some reason, in spite of the article quoted in the March 1953 Just Buttons. After the book was effectively printed and we could not alter any text, Marion went to see an elderly Jewish woman in Philadelphia who was a dealer in small antiques and took along a group of the Graz buttons to show her, since we both felt they might be older. The woman was about 80 at the time. She recognized them immediately as similar to buttons she had worn on her cardigan as a child in Austria in the early 1900's, before WWI. It was too late to change the text, but we re-dated them in the corrections sheet, which, of course, almost nobody reads, I changed the dates in the revised edition. Unquote.

4. One tidbit turned up from Joan Lindsay that places further substantiation on this subject and is conveyed with her permission. Sometime ago she purchased a framed tray of 3rd Avenues from a member in her button club. The seller had inherited them from her mother who was an old-time collector from the 40s to 80s. Joan noticed a small typewritten note on the back of the framed buttons that read, Quote: German silver buttons. The manufacturer went broke after making them for only a short time at the turn of the century (19th-20 century). Unquote. Regrettably the daughter did not know where her mother obtained this information. But this was an old time collector, who no doubt, wanted to pass the info on to future recipients. I will run with this and look into such aspects as bankruptcy, if there was such an entity back then, or business closing records, etc. Obviously I don't have a lot of hope due to the "records destruction" aspect mentioned above.

5. For me, nothing more needs saying but will offer this last one from my WWW.ButtonCountry.com 3rd Avenue article titled "From Austria With Love." Quote: On the matter of the back mark and dates of manufacturer, effort has been futile so far but I remain hopeful. Additional specific company info is a long shot since many such records were deliberately destroyed in actions related to the two World Wars. It seems that, based on the literature, the Division I status should be clear. Alas, it is not clear to everyone. In the relatively recent past, a very experienced collector was measled on a Div I pictorial award tray due to a 3rd Avenue button being judged as "not Div I." With the collaboration of Paul Rice, we scoured the pictorial images to see if there is any evidence of subject matter that would cause the dating to spill over into Division III space. We found none. In addition, we looked for images that should have been there if the buttons were made after 1918. We found two interesting "circumstantial evidence" examples. First, we have seen no early aircraft other than a pre-1910 Zeppelin. German airplanes did not emerge into the public view until about 1915. We feel that one or more would be there if these buttons were made during or after WW I. Second, Albert Einstein is one of the most famous Germans known world-wide and should logically show up in Germanic themed buttons. He published his now famous E=mc2 in 1905 and his famous Theory of Relativity in 1916. So where is the Einstein 3rd Avenue? It turns out that his world recognition did not occur until a famous solar eclipse proved his revolutionary theory in 1919 and he was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1922. We conclude he was a little late to the party for the 3rd Avenues. Nevertheless, if I happen to find examples in either of these areas, they will be reported in future revisions. Unquote.
Many of the 3rd Avenues are of famous German/Austrians and other famous people. It would have been a grievous mistake not to include Albert Einstein if they were made in 1918 or earlier. Not one German/Austrian subject on the buttons hold a candle to Einstein's notoriety.

Obviously there are times when Buttondom must make decisions relative to timeframe of manufacture, when cold hard facts are unattainable, by compilation of information. Therefore, in consideration of the info listed above, it is my opinion that these buttons are clearly Division I. Sincerely hope you feel the same so that this issue can be put to rest. I ask that the NBS classifiers designate these totally delightful and mostly rare subject buttons as Division I and a notification be in the next bulletin stating our Classification Guide will contain the designation in the next printing and that the notification can be used for judging 3rd Avenues until it is printed. Far too many properly submitted entry trays have been unjustly measled and we must put a stop to this injustice soonest. I further urge state societies and regional bulletins contain this change as soon as the classifiers act. Club presidents are encouraged to disseminate the information as well. We must use every avenue to disseminate the word to all of Buttondom, after the decision is rendered. I ask the classification folks to put it on Buttonbytes at that juncture. As the word spreads, more 3rd Avenues are being entered in competition; we need this fixed!


Kaye's Lucky Ebay Find

Now for a little side story on a lighter note: It's button sad but has a button happy ending and involves 3rd Avenues. Received a call from Kaye Reed who was very excited. She was so excited, I was not able to understand all she was saying but finally heard "Go check your emails." Hastily opening emails and searching for her address, I opened one of three! Condensing: She had been searching eBay jewelry offerings and came across a pair of earrings that looked familiar. You already know what's next, don't you? Someone had taken two rare subject 3d Avenues, St Cecilia Playing the Harp, and made them into earrings. And sadly, the silver shanks were taken off plus a considerable portion of the back marks were obliterated, obviously from that action. But the happy ending is that they are in the hands of a button collector and she purchased them for $9. Oh yeah ! She truly deserved this great find as she is as enamored with them as I.

Earrings Front
St Cecilia
Patron Saint of Musicians


Earrings Back

Remember, this is an ongoing research project and you can help immensely by sending pictures/buttons of your 3rd Avenues, not listed in this or the initial posting, to Vickaye@yahoo.com. It is just as important that we identify all the buttons so your assistance will also be appreciated in this area. If you do not have picture taking capability, the actual button can be sent and postage reimbursed. These will be included in the 2nd revision as this is a perpetual research project.

Any questions? Send to Bardon56@aol.com. Thanking you beforehand. Don Lanier

With grateful appreciation to our wonderful contributors to this 1st revision



Paul Rice Kaye Reed
Debbie Stribling Lucille Weingarten
Tom and Barb Barrans Millicent Safro
Renee Comeau Doctor Barbara Steingiesser of Germany
Beth Schaut Joan Lindsay
Connie and Bud Weiser Dottie Lindley
Allyssa Kvenveld Norma Camp
Jim Stephenson William James Hentges
Sue Marsh Marie Elwyn
Gill Biggie Marlen Hudson
Ann Olson Manfred Weinschen, United States Commercial Services, Vienna, Austria
Billy Stribling Embassy of the United States, Wein, Austria

Religious

Jesus Christ
carrying the cross
Robed and crowned lady
with angels near her head.
Unidentified
Our Lady of Lourdes.
Robed lady with shrubs
on either side.
Robed and Crowned Lady
with a small winged child
standing to her front.
She is under an ornate
canopy containing a crown atop.
Unidentified
Madonna and Child
the Virgin Mother
holding the baby
Jesus on her right side
Help with Exact ID.

Our Lady of
Mt. Carmel,
holding the Holy Scapular
Our Lady of Victory.
ref. Just Buttons April 1953,
pg 155, second row
Saint Michael slaying Lucifer
(the devil you say!)

Sports and Activities

Horse and Rider
Jumping Hurdles
Ice Skaters Bull Fighter

Men - Heads/Busts and Full Figures

Rembrandt, Dutch Painter
and Etcher
Beethoven, Classical Music
Composer, BBB plate227, #17
Franz Scubert, Composer Franz Liszt, Hungarian Composer
and Pianist Virtuoso,
BBB plate 227, #23

Women - Heads, Busts and Full Figures - Mythology - Transportation

Woman looking slightly
upward as if praying,
Unidentified.
The Pigeons Bride
(A fairy tale)
Fairy (Mythology) Sailing Ships
and Stone Wall
with Sphinx atop
(Transportation)

Animals

Polar Bear
on ice cap
Hound Dog
with head protuding
through a thicket
Foxhound with
a chevron border
a match to the Fox button
in the initial posting

Symbols

Skull and Cross bones
(Totenkopf is the German word for
the skull and cross bones)
4F TURNVEREIN
Society Symbol
See Founder Frederick Jahn
in original posting
with 4F in background
Stringed Harp Symbol? Help Identify


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Third Avenue Viewers


3RD AVENUE 2ND REVISION

September 15, 2016

FROM AUSTRIA WITH LOVE

DON LANIER
3RD AVENUE RESEARCHER/AUTHOR

KAY REED
DEBBIE STRIBLING
3RD Avenue Researcher/Photographer
3RD Avenue Webmaster

We, Kaye Reed, Debbie Stribling and I, weren't wallowing in warm fuzzies in regard to obtaining a goodly amount of new 3rd Avenue buttons to make this revision interesting.......but these little beauties just keep on "giving it up!" We are pleased to inform that not only do we have new buttons but have found new identifications for some previously posted. Regrettably, no information of their origin was discovered and it appears we may be stuck with having no more than the Knopf Konig Graz backmark. At least we know the producer and location! However, we shan't give up!

In the 1st revision, I was pleased to have found a Jesus carrying the cross button and sharing what research gleaned, including paintings of the depiction that left me somewhat befuddled. The befuddlement wasn't difficult to accomplish! You will never be able to surmise how I felt when a find at the January 2016 Florida State Button Society show produced a new button subject, at least it was for me. I was excited to find a button we didn't have for the research but due to the dim lighting, where the find took place, I could distinguish little. Due to my short tenure at the show and wanting to make it to all the dealer tables before we departed, I pocketed the button and continued to hunt for folks who wanted to trade or sell me one. Back home, shortly after unloading our car, my next move was to find a magnifier in hope to identify the button. At first, nothing pictured produced an ID: I saw a cross, a bird, and two men. Then I retrieved our best magnifier and saw one man was scantily clothed whereas the other one was completely covered. Still nothing. Then the bingo! The scantily clothed man was standing in shallow water that I had missed in my other perusals! Could this be a baptismal? For the next couple of hours, me; Google and Wikipedia were good buddies! It was a baptismal and the discovery filled me with much joy! It was Jesus being baptized by John the Baptist! Jesus had, once again, entered my button life! This was the third Jesus button I had found in the 3rd Avenues. Not saying this is the only button with this particular subject but in 40 years as an "art in miniature" collector, I've never seen this subject on a button. If anyone has seen this on a button, please email me at the address below.

There is an adjunct to this little story and it also blessed me with joy! During the button research I came across the place that a group of Bible researchers and others had determined was the site where Jesus was baptized by his friend, John the Baptist. I was flabbergasted.......I'd never heard of this place and that disturbed me. I've asked others about it and only one had heard of it and she only became aware during a trip to Israel! Why haven't the travel folks jumped all over this? The site is in Bethany. Why hasn't Christiandom rejoiced? Was it one of the vacuums I've lived in during my lifetime! I am soooo open to info about the site and/or the button. My email address is below.

This is an Austrian artist's
painting of the Baptismal
The 3rd Avenue Button
The actual site of the baptismal


Remember, this is an ongoing research project and you can help immensely by sending pictures/buttons of your 3rd Avenues, not in the initial listing on Buttoncountry.com, the 1st revision at http://webpages.charter.net/debstr/3RDS.REV.htm nor this revision, to Kaye Reed at vickaye@yahoo.com. It is just as important that we identify all the buttons so your assistance will also be greatly appreciated in this area. If you do not have picture taking capability, the actual button can be sent and postage reimbursed. These will be included in the 3rd revision, as previously stated, since this is a perpetual research project. We hope to have all the buttons, descriptions and other changes posted on Buttoncountry.com within the near future so that everything will be in one easily accessible place. Widespread notices will be forthcoming when this is consummated with the National Button Society. Send questions to Bardon56@aol.com. Thanking you beforehand. Don Lanier

This little story involves three 3rd Avenues that are related! Someone sent me an email a while back asking if I could ID the subject. The person thought it might be a Martian or something in that realm! Frankly, it is weird appearing but not from outer space! Knew right away that it was a lady who was wearing a long coat, a hat held to her head via of a scarf and big lensed goggles! The goggles was the item, no doubt, that had caused the possible "Martian" ID! We have a 1905 German Adler automobile 3rd Avenue and that lady could be riding in the back seat along with a gentleman similarly outfitted! There is also a 3rd Avenue button with a man clad in the same kind of outfit as the lady. They were found glued in an old scrapbook from the 1910- 1918 period with their shanks cut off. We don't have the buttons but pictures have been supplied by contributors. Researcher, Kaye Reed, thought it would be a nice touch if we put the two folks and the car together for your enjoyment...so look down!

So let's get to the real reason you came! Scroll on down to see the new finds and IDs!

2nd Revision buttons

Santa Rita de Casia. Patroness
Saint of Impossible Causes
St. Theresa, Little Flower Unidentified. Help Identify? "The Peita" Mary holding Jesus
Italian/Renaissance .
Baptismal of Jesus by John the Baptist
St. Gerard Majella Unidentified, Help identify. Lady in open air automobile
wearing riding gear
Man in open air automobile
wearing riding gear
Zeppelin LZ4 Dirigible:
1st flown on June 20, 1908
Crashed on August 4th same year
Sculling Teams Dog with Bird in Mouth Lamp / Symbol? Cupid with Heart Whippet

If you aren't already aware, the initial listing of ninety-two 3rd Avenue Buttons is at ButtonCountry.com. Go there then click Special Topics and click 3rd Avenue.
Click here to see 3rd Avenue Buttons on ButtonCountry

A personal note: Go to
Don's Buttons to Trade

Or email me at:
Bardon56@aol.com
I'm always in the market to purchase'em, even if I have them, as they will be used for traders! Don Lanier.

Following are new identifications pictured in the initial web posting. References are from the larger pictures not the worksheets

Button Country 3rd Avenue buttons PAGE 3
PAGE ROW # IN ROW
3
1
2
Little Red Cap (Little Red Riding Hood) Fairy Tale
3
6
2
Peter calling Heidi near the Grandfathers house in the Alps (Children's favorite story)
3
9
3
SMS Markgraf: The battleship was The Star of the German Fleet and served in the Imperial German Navy during WW1. It was laid down in Nov 1911 and launched in Jun 1913.

1st Revision Under Women-Heads/Busts-----Button #2 -----The Pigeons Bride (A fairy tale)

We are pleased that this revision has been produced much sooner than the first and hope to keep'em coming for your enjoyment and knowledge. We still seek your input. If you have a 3rd Avenue not listed in the initial posting, the 1st revision nor this one, please let us know. The 3rd revision likely won't happen without your buttons and identifications. We'd like to know if you have a specific, as opposed to a generic, identification for any of the buttons. Even a tidbit you might want to share would be appreciated. The three of us are "pickled tink" when we hear from you! If you spot an ID that you disagree with, we're always open to possible changes.

With grateful appreciation to our wonderful contributors to this 2nd Revision



William James Hentges Sue Marsh
Peggie Mccolloch Dr. Judy Worthington
Renee' Comeau Gill Biggie
Jan Morris Millicent Safro
Ann Olson Pam Luke

3RD AVENUE BUTTONS


3RD AVENUE 3RD REVISION

March 27, 2017

FROM AUSTRIA WITH LOVE

DON LANIER
3RD AVENUE RESEARCHER/AUTHOR

KAY REED
DEBBIE STRIBLING
ELAINE WILLIAMSON
3RD Avenue Researcher
and Photographer
3RD Avenue Webmaster
3RD Avenue Researcher

WELCOME TO THE 3RD AVENUE - 3RD REVISION------YOU'LL BE GLAD YOU STOPPED BY!

Buttonologists......resting below are some big surprises just waiting to show off their uniqueness in the 3rd avenue perpetual research. Two are standouts. Will refrain from identifying them as I'd like you to pick the two you think are the ones. More on them later. Have been fascinated with these little jewels since the beginning of my research years ago; they just keep on coming and the subject matter continues to increase with every revision.

We have been blessed to add a new researcher; someone who has vast knowledge and experience. Welcome aboard Elaine Williamson of the House of Button and Armchair Auctions. Elaine.....thank you for adding much credence to our efforts.

Thrilled to say this revision contains one of my favorite subjects. HE has been in ALL the other postings, so having another one is gratifying. Look for HIM below.

Two other buttons will likely draw some concern as you might believe they have been in one of the other postings. In a way, they have! Check the bear button below. Familiar isn't it? But.....it is standing on firm ground. The first one is standing on something firm but it's cold as ice......'cause it is! The one below is also heading in the other direction......perhaps a lover's spat? Another "Think I also saw this one before" is the target shooter. The difference is that the first one had the Victory Angel hovering above him and the one below may as well take his rifle and go home because she isn't coming to see him! Sorry to spoil your gotchas!

Want to point out something I've not previously mentioned. Some of you more savvy ones might have already caught on! Back in 1953 when the buttons were found and dubbed 3rd avenues after the street in New York, where they were found in an antique store, we began looking for them in small and round. Yes......the majority are small and round. But a few are round and medium and others are oval and oblong. Now we have the fabulous creature! My point, of course, is: Look beyond the small round ones! And do some measuring of the ones you think are small. To be very honest, I would not have pulled one like the fabulous animal out of a poke box or even off a dealer's tray. This one recently showed up and I'm going to go to all my smaller picture buttons and do some in-depth perusing! You're welcome! Hope you find a Knoph Konig Graz button you didn't know you had.

Hope not to bore you with my many pleas for photos of 3rd avenues not already posted but it's absolutely the only way we can ever hope to finally discover all of'em so the perpetual search will be ended. That conjures up a thought. It should NEVER end as, obviously, there is no way to know. Thus.....the search will be passed on to others at some point to carry the torch! Keep the photos coming and we'll include them in the 4th revision and beyond. Don't forget that I buy and trade for ones we don't have. On that note, a click on is below this paragraph that'll take you to the traders. Let's make a deal! I'll even trade other type buttons and/or button related items you'd rather collect for your 3rds. You may email me anytime at
Bardon56@aol.com

3rd Avenue Traders Link

So let's get to the real reason you came! Scroll on down to see the new finds and IDs!

3rd Revision buttons

Mary holding Jesus
Bear
Deer Holding Woven basket
of Puppies
Elk Stag
Fox
Horse Head with Braided Border
Wild Turkey
Fabulous Creature
Edelweiss- "Queen Flower"
National Flower of Austria
Target Shooter

Now that you've seen the buttons, I'll tell you the ones mentioned in paragraph one.
The deer with two puppies and flowers in a woven basket held in her mouth is very touching and a subject I've never seen before. The other one is a fabulous creature with a scalloped edge and integrated border thus far uncommon to the 3rd avenues and it's properly back marked. This is what makes this research so satisfyingly interesting....new subjects and info not previously found and the buttons keep coming out of hiding!

Please join our research family and send your photos of the heretofore unpublished 3rd avenue buttons to Kaye Reed at vickaye@yahoo.com and specific identification input for those you notice are blank. Just remember that many of those in the initial posting on buttoncounty have been ID'd and/or the category changed. The updating has been posted in the revisions. We are aware this is cumbersome for you, because you've told us! We hope that someday a fix can be realized where buttoncounty will be updated and the revisions can be added thereto. Thank you for your understanding.

If you are new to the 3rd Avenues or just want a refresher, start your education by going to Buttoncountry.com via the National Button Society web site at www.nationalbuttonsociety.org, click button country then click special topics and select 3rd avenues. Therein you'll also find the word revisions, click it (not this one) and you'll be taken to all the revisions.

We've begun working on the 4th revision so keep looking for more exciting buttons, IDs and info to come.

Don Lanier and on behalf of Kaye Reed, Deb Stribling and Elaine Williamson.


With Appreciation to our Wonderful contributors to this 3rd Revision

Inge Adams

Norma Camp

Jen Parslow