[19:02] You: Ok, since Jimbo is here, lets start. Basically, Jimbo talked to the contacts at NRN and got some basic information, so he's going to give us the report on that. [19:03] Hypatia Eames: Hi Jane! [19:03] Jimbo Hoyer: PB we need to talk, [19:03] Pb Recreant: right [19:03] Manifold Destiny: hi all! first time here [19:03] Pb Recreant: I'll stick around [19:03] You: If we can hold the questions and comments until he's done, that would be helpful [19:03] Jane2 McMahon: hi! [19:03] Lumi Ihnen: ok [19:03] You: then after, we can discuss [19:03] Jimbo Hoyer: me now? [19:03] Pb Recreant: you [19:03] Hypatia Eames: Jane is there a time you can come by our place? [19:03] You: I'll post the chat log on Thinking liberally again for those who aren't here [19:03] You: OK - turning it over to Jimbo [19:03] Jimbo Hoyer: My ground rule [19:04] Jimbo Hoyer: Please do not interrupt [19:04] Jimbo Hoyer: raise hand, and i will recognize for questions [19:04] Jimbo Hoyer: Ready steady go [19:04] Jimbo Hoyer: we have a sponsor [19:05] Jimbo Hoyer: IDI renamed [19:05] Jimbo Hoyer: who sponsored last year. [19:05] Jimbo Hoyer: this gives us cred with NN [19:05] Jimbo Hoyer: they are providing enough money 2500 US D [19:06] Jimbo Hoyer: to cover our expenses [19:06] Jane2 McMahon: woohoo! [19:06] Jimbo Hoyer: they are on board with blog ads, as proposd by the general [19:06] Jimbo Hoyer: to promote the event [19:07] Jimbo Hoyer: I am concerned that we need to plan for mutiple venues [19:07] Jimbo Hoyer: to receive the ballroom stream [19:08] Jimbo Hoyer: Note that the current plan is to have only the ballroom streamed in to sl [19:08] Jimbo Hoyer: and any other subsidiary events be conversations [19:08] Jimbo Hoyer: while wathcing a web stream [19:08] Jimbo Hoyer: in austin, that is. [19:09] Jimbo Hoyer: If you wanna do a cheers and jeers event, with bILL,that will be on the web [19:09] Jimbo Hoyer: with discussion in world [19:09] Jimbo Hoyer: stppping now [19:09] Jimbo Hoyer: questions [19:09] Jimbo Hoyer: ? [19:10] You: Just a reminder to those that came in late, please hold questions and comments until Jimbo stops. [19:10] Jimbo Hoyer: moving on to resources [19:10] Jimbo Hoyer: We need in austin [19:11] Jimbo Hoyer: a small team. [19:11] Jimbo Hoyer: two-three people to manage the ballroom stream [19:11] Jimbo Hoyer: This entials managing a mac running qt broadcaster [19:12] Jimbo Hoyer: and configuring the stream software. [19:12] Jimbo Hoyer: WHile this is not trivial , it is also not that hard. [19:13] Jimbo Hoyer: The best person for this position will be local to NYC [19:13] Jane2 McMahon: why? [19:13] Manifold Destiny: sorry, i came late. what's the date and time for this? [19:13] Jimbo Hoyer: because we can train here and introduce to the guy running the show. [19:13] Jimbo Hoyer: please hold questions. [19:13] Manifold Destiny: k [19:14] Jimbo Hoyer: Almost all the other stuff from NN i sgood news [19:14] Jimbo Hoyer: they're happy that we'll be doing stuff that they may not clear as branded [19:15] Jimbo Hoyer: They DO want to clear anything branded as SL [19:15] Jimbo Hoyer: NNSL [19:15] Jimbo Hoyer: questions? [19:15] Moran Singh: Nope [19:15] You: nope [19:16] Jimbo Hoyer: jane? [19:16] Jane2 McMahon: yes? [19:16] Jimbo Hoyer: the reason the optimal person to be running the show should be local to NYC [19:16] Jane2 McMahon: yes i saw your answer...... [19:16] Jimbo Hoyer: is that the person lending the equiipment. [19:17] Jimbo Hoyer: is here [19:17] Jimbo Hoyer: and the producer of the AV program is here. [19:17] Jimbo Hoyer: so it would be best if the manager is here. [19:17] Hypatia Eames: So you have a person in mind or do we have to find somebody? [19:17] Jimbo Hoyer: we have a comped admission for that person. [19:18] Jimbo Hoyer: I do have a person in mind. But I haven't reached her. [19:18] Hypatia Eames: Is there somebody her who meets your criterion? [19:18] Jimbo Hoyer: and I've been told she may be away. [19:19] Jimbo Hoyer: I would like to receive proposed stream managers. [19:19] Jimbo Hoyer: in austin [19:19] Jimbo Hoyer: Note that I am now wearing my tech committee hat. [19:20] Jimbo Hoyer: NN is fine with multiple venues. [19:20] Hypatia Eames: Exactly what skills do you need out of this New Yorker/s [19:20] Jimbo Hoyer: IM me hypatia et al. [19:21] Hypatia Eames: ok [19:21] Jimbo Hoyer: the point for this meeting is we are recruiting an austin manager of the projedt [19:21] Jimbo Hoyer: who should NOT expect to participate in the conference. [19:22] Jimbo Hoyer: jillan [19:22] You: Yes [19:22] Jimbo Hoyer: am i off agenda? [19:22] You: No. The floor is yours until you're done with your report [19:23] Jimbo Hoyer: the possibity of mixed reality events i s limitied [19:24] Jimbo Hoyer: IF proposed a rl meetup and a simultaneous virtual meetup [19:24] Jimbo Hoyer: the former, it turns out, happens out side the scheduled events [19:24] Jimbo Hoyer: The latter will be tricky but possible. [19:25] Jimbo Hoyer: And they are wiling to bend some rules for a meetup [19:25] Jimbo Hoyer: as to panel programs [19:25] Jimbo Hoyer: this is a big problem [19:26] Jimbo Hoyer: First we need toknow whent the ballrooom/mainfeed [19:26] Jimbo Hoyer: is darke [19:26] Jimbo Hoyer: Because that is the time for panels [19:26] Jimbo Hoyer: or meetups. [19:27] Jimbo Hoyer: We will get that infor shortly. [19:27] Jimbo Hoyer: Then we have to decide how many tracks to program, figuring everything is inworld [19:28] Jimbo Hoyer: I have asked about panels that have been rejected, and have been stonewalled up to now. [19:29] Jimbo Hoyer: But I've been told that last year's information [19:29] Jimbo Hoyer: withholding will not recur. [19:29] Jimbo Hoyer: So people should be thinking about panels. [19:29] Jimbo Hoyer: Inworld only. [19:30] Jimbo Hoyer: We can get a sense of how many after we see [19:30] Jimbo Hoyer: when there is no ballroom feed. [19:30] Jimbo Hoyer: That's it for now. [19:30] Jimbo Hoyer: questions. [19:31] Moran Singh: Jimbo? [19:31] Jimbo Hoyer: go [19:31] Moran Singh: You don't think that we can do a panel or two at the same time as the ballroom feed? For those who might want something different? [19:32] Jimbo Hoyer: widget is in charge of this, and deferring to Jillan, this is widget's call [19:32] Jimbo Hoyer: my personal view is that it is a mistake to counterprogram [19:32] You: Yes, we can talk to Widget about it. She's not online right now, but we can pull her into this conversation [19:33] Moran Singh: I was just wondering [19:33] You: Jimbo, I have a question. [19:33] Jimbo Hoyer: go [19:33] You: Does NN want to approve all panelist? [19:33] You: Sorry, slow typist [19:33] Jimbo Hoyer: NN wants to approve all content branded as NN. [19:33] You: ok. Good to know [19:34] Jimbo Hoyer: If you just use that rule of thumb, youre good [19:34] Jimbo Hoyer: My thing is I want to get access to content that they've bounced [19:34] Jimbo Hoyer: and present in SL [19:35] Jane2 McMahon: so unofficial panels, no? [19:35] Jimbo Hoyer: *nolan* liked that idea. [19:35] Jimbo Hoyer: No Jane, official panels. with NN branding [19:36] Jimbo Hoyer: It's a sop to people they reject [19:36] Jane2 McMahon: NNSL panels with NN branding? [19:36] Jane2 McMahon: when did this arise? [19:36] Jane2 McMahon: I had no idea these were our panels [19:36] Jimbo Hoyer: anything on NN island are branded NN [19:36] Jane2 McMahon: yes, of course [19:36] Jane2 McMahon: but when did rejected NN panels become "our" panels, or am i misunderstanding? [19:37] Jimbo Hoyer: But if, say, Glenn greenwald's bounced panel had a revivification here, that's win cubed. [19:37] Jimbo Hoyer: put it differently. [19:37] Jane2 McMahon: this is all brand new information [19:37] You: We need to get that information to Widget as soon as we have it, so she can put the panels together. [19:38] Jane2 McMahon: I thought we had some leeway [19:38] Jimbo Hoyer: If NN had been more proactive wrt SL then they would have used that as a way of softening a rejection. [19:38] Jimbo Hoyer: confused now. [19:38] Jimbo Hoyer: widget's running panels [19:38] Jane2 McMahon: this panel information is brand new [19:38] Jane2 McMahon: yes [19:38] You: Yes, she is [19:38] Jane2 McMahon: but you are talking about rejected panels as being "our" panels [19:38] Jimbo Hoyer: One source for panels is bounced panels. [19:38] Jane2 McMahon: unless I am misunderstanding [19:38] Jimbo Hoyer: N [19:39] Moran Singh: Not the ONLY source? [19:39] Jimbo Hoyer: NO [19:39] Jimbo Hoyer: there is no OUR panels [19:39] Jane2 McMahon: there are no NNSL panels? [19:39] Jane2 McMahon: discrete from NN? [19:39] Jimbo Hoyer: NNSL is an extension of NN [19:39] Jane2 McMahon: yes it is [19:39] Jane2 McMahon: but i understood we could do some "SL only" panels [19:40] Jane2 McMahon: and now we can't? [19:40] Jimbo Hoyer: So, if GG wants to do his panel heree, great [19:40] Jimbo Hoyer: win win [19:40] Pb Recreant: is this only for the branded panels on NN island? [19:40] Pb Recreant: i.e., we'd still have other panels elsewhere [19:40] Jimbo Hoyer: pb yes, but I see overflow to other islands [19:40] Jane2 McMahon: PB, I guess that is what I thought [19:40] Jane2 McMahon: not overflow of rejected NN panels [19:40] Jimbo Hoyer: depending on what widget wants to do. [19:41] Jane2 McMahon: but our own...whatever they may be [19:41] Jimbo Hoyer: jane--these are not mutually exclusive issues. [19:41] Jane2 McMahon: sorry [19:41] Jimbo Hoyer: But I would note that the bounced panels are likely to be quite good. [19:42] Jane2 McMahon: this is brand new information.....sorry I'm not up to snuff [19:42] Jimbo Hoyer: hence a report [19:42] Jane2 McMahon: hence my questions [19:42] Jimbo Hoyer: check. [19:42] You: Ok, let me see if I have this. One source for the panels Widget is putting together is the rejected panels from NN. Anything we put on at NNSL needs to be NN approved, but not limited the NN rejected panels [19:43] You: Widget and the rest of us will decide if we want non- NN approved panels off island [19:43] Jimbo Hoyer: No limits on what we canpropse [19:43] You: and those do not have to be approved [19:43] Jimbo Hoyer: bounced panels are a soucrce [19:43] You: Right [19:43] Jimbo Hoyer: but not the only source. [19:43] You: got it [19:44] You: Just trying to make sure I have it written down [19:44] Jimbo Hoyer: and we (widget) nd not consider them. [19:44] Jimbo Hoyer: no committment either way. [19:44] Jimbo Hoyer: I just know there are som good bounced panels, and that it would b a way to have some win0win [19:45] You: It would be a very good source [19:45] Jimbo Hoyer: situations, where a bounced panel gets a venue after all [19:45] You: Ok - I'll get all of this to Widget. [19:45] Jimbo Hoyer: yep. [19:46] Jimbo Hoyer: Me personally? [19:46] You: Will you let her know as soon as NN has more details on their panels? [19:46] Lumi Ihnen: May I ask a question off this topic? [19:46] Jimbo Hoyer: sorry misread your note. [19:46] You: No, I will send her the chat log [19:46] Jimbo Hoyer: jILLAN [19:46] Jimbo Hoyer: LUMI [19:46] You: Go ahead Lumi [19:46] Lumi Ihnen: I chair booths. Could you, Jimbo, get me a list of last year's booths? [19:47] Jimbo Hoyer: {---ceding the gavel to Jillan [19:47] Jimbo Hoyer: yes. I can [19:47] Lumi Ihnen: contacts [19:47] Lumi Ihnen: Thanks [19:47] You: Sorry Jimbo, thought you were done. [19:47] Jimbo Hoyer: easiest is to check out the remaining islad. [19:47] Jimbo Hoyer: All there [19:47] Jimbo Hoyer: Was done. [19:47] You: Ok [19:47] Pb Recreant: yeah, the old booths are still up [19:47] Jimbo Hoyer: thanks Killan [19:47] Jimbo Hoyer: Jillan [19:47] Lumi Ihnen: OK. I'll go on a tour [19:48] Jimbo Hoyer: lumi, email me. I'll help. NN lukewarm about booths. [19:48] Lumi Ihnen: That won't get me contacts, though. [19:48] Jimbo Hoyer: jay@ackroyd.org [19:48] Lumi Ihnen: OK [19:48] Jimbo Hoyer: got'em [19:48] You: OK, for panels and entertainment, we're still a bit on hold until we find out NN's schedule. [19:48] You: We need to get that sent to Moran and Widget as soon as we get it. [19:49] Jimbo Hoyer: check [19:49] Jimbo Hoyer: will press them for that. Folks what we mean by schedule [19:49] Jimbo Hoyer: is when the ballroom has no content. [19:50] Jimbo Hoyer: BTW, they are very happy with us at the moment. [19:50] Jimbo Hoyer: Painless revenue. [19:50] You: I have one item to discuss before I totally open the floor to questions. That is registration. [19:50] You: I want everyone's opinion [19:51] You: We don't need to have a paid registration this year [19:51] Jane2 McMahon: no we do not [19:51] You: but it has been discuessed that we have some sort of registration process to help with management [19:51] You: and possibly griefing [19:51] Jane2 McMahon: may i speak to that? [19:51] You: Last years registration was not good at all [19:52] You: Go ahead [19:52] Jane2 McMahon: last year was a nightmare re logistics [19:52] You: yes [19:52] Jane2 McMahon: and I made it up on the fly as new avatars cannot deal with much more than getting to a chair for panels [19:52] Jane2 McMahon: registration will not have any effect on possible griefing [19:52] Jane2 McMahon: zero [19:53] Jane2 McMahon: Griefing is not the worst thing that can happen to us [19:53] Jane2 McMahon: we can't control it if it does....they have ways around all SL restrictions [19:53] Jane2 McMahon: so.......AR if and when it does [19:53] Jane2 McMahon: If we have a registration we have to know why [19:53] Jane2 McMahon: numbers? [19:54] Moran Singh: I think having a registration is a good idea....just to get everyone in a Group for notices. [19:54] Jimbo Hoyer: Dire is the source for this issue [19:54] Jane2 McMahon: can't use it as predictive unless we are closing the islands [19:54] You: I personally don't have a problem with registration of some kind providing it is very painless. As Jane mentioned, it can be difficult for newbies. [19:54] Jimbo Hoyer: And I will speak for him [19:54] Lumi Ihnen: Also, it helps us track numbers [19:54] Jane2 McMahon: i hadn't finished [19:54] You: Sorry, go ahead [19:54] Jane2 McMahon: IF we are to have a registration, please please please not let it be a SL group [19:54] Jane2 McMahon: make it a subscribe o matic [19:55] Jane2 McMahon: I will pay for that [19:55] Jane2 McMahon: we can leave them everywhere [19:55] Jane2 McMahon: just click and you're in [19:55] Moran Singh: great idea [19:55] Michele Mrigesh: Good idea [19:55] Jane2 McMahon: they are amazingly wonderful for users [19:55] Jane2 McMahon: and we as the owners get the info we need [19:55] Jane2 McMahon: but no onerous registrastion process [19:55] Jane2 McMahon: and no "gifts" for doing it [19:56] Jane2 McMahon: if I seem to be strong on this point, it is because I was the main person last year [19:56] Jane2 McMahon: and it was a pain for me and for the users [19:56] Jane2 McMahon: ok i'm done [19:56] Jimbo Hoyer: Dire's concern is for capacity planning [19:56] Jane2 McMahon: then you have to have a closed process [19:56] Jane2 McMahon: are we public or not? [19:56] Jane2 McMahon: maybe that is the question [19:56] Jimbo Hoyer: A simpler reg system helps that. [19:56] Jimbo Hoyer: No nobody is proposing a closed system [19:57] Moran Singh: Could a sign up sheet for each event work? Just letting us know what sessions a person plans to attend? [19:57] Jimbo Hoyer: Maybe the better way to say this is RSVP [19:57] Jane2 McMahon: last year was closed [19:57] Jimbo Hoyer: NOT closed [19:57] Jane2 McMahon: so i'm suggesting subscribe o matic [19:57] Jane2 McMahon: will give numbers [19:57] Jimbo Hoyer: closed is not on the tabloe. [19:57] Jane2 McMahon: of group members [19:57] Jimbo Hoyer: good with that. [19:57] Jane2 McMahon: easy to use [19:58] Jane2 McMahon: VERY easy for new people [19:58] You: I like the group idea, was going to suggest that. [19:58] You: And yes, subscribomatic is the way to go [19:58] Pb Recreant: woo. [19:58] You: if that is the descision [19:58] You: anyone else have any input? [19:59] Moran Singh: I think easy is good way to go [19:59] Pb Recreant: we should have some people around who can deal with griefers, etc. [19:59] Pb Recreant: not necessarily a NN-wide group thing, just an administrative presence whereever [19:59] You: I agree. We have Trouble and Moody who are experienced security [19:59] Pb Recreant: yeah [19:59] Jane2 McMahon: PB, there is an excellent NCI course [20:00] Jane2 McMahon: and we need to have "how to file an abuse report" training [20:00] Jane2 McMahon: that is the most effective way to deal with griefers [20:00] Jimbo Hoyer: Is this a tech issue? I ssense the need for anothr committee chair [20:00] Jimbo Hoyer: on security. [20:00] Jane2 McMahon: it's a social issue [20:00] Pb Recreant: heh, yeah [20:00] You: I don't think it's tech [20:00] Jimbo Hoyer: i agree [20:00] Pb Recreant: get Trouble in here on security :) [20:00] Moran Singh: I think it's a combined management issue....for many of us to know [20:00] Zathras Afarensis: "NCI"? [20:01] Jane2 McMahon: yes, MOran [20:01] Jimbo Hoyer: pB reads Jimbos's mind [20:01] Jane2 McMahon: Zath, New Citizens Institute [20:01] Zathras Afarensis: thx [20:02] You: Ok. I will contact Trouble and ask her. I'll have her coordinate with Moran - and Jane for the training part? [20:02] Moran Singh: Sounds good [20:02] Jane2 McMahon: and Rocky [20:02] Jane2 McMahon: he knows "beacons" [20:02] You: Ok [20:02] Rocky Torok: yes [20:02] You: anything else? Any one want to discuss/report/ask anything? [20:03] You: Nope? Ok meeting adjorned! Thanks everyone! [20:03] Pb Recreant: woo [20:03] Pb Recreant: thanks Jillan [20:03] Moran Singh: Very nice! [20:03] You: You guys are awesome to work with, Thanks for being so helpful